ISE Education @ ISE
FAQ – FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS
Q: What qualifications to be a skills trainer?
A: Trainer, in most context of a Jabatan Pembangunan Kemahiran (JPK) Accredited Centre (Pusat Bertauliah/PB), is also usually the Assessor (Pegawai Penilai/PP). Therefore you always hear Tenaga Pengajar in BM. But you really need to understand and be clear of the difference between a Tenaga Pengajar & Pegawai Penilai, which is very important in the context of Malaysian Skills Certfication System@Sistem Persijilan Kemahiran Malaysia.
Similarly, corporate trainers also need a TTT-Train The Trainer certification to be a certified trainer.
So, to be a PP, one needs to have:
1) PP-PPD-PPB induction course cert AND
2) Vocational Training Operation (VTO) cert AND
3) SKM cert in the respective program (ie automotive, food preparation, F&B etc)
*These 3 qualifications applies to a Diploma, Degree, Masters or even PhD holder of academic or skill background. However, if you are just going to be the PP for Diploma Kemahiran Malaysia (DKM) or Diploma Lanjutan Kemahiran Malaysia (DLKM), then Sijil Kemahiran Malaysia (SKM) is not compulsory.
Q: I have working experience but no SKM, how can I apply to obtain SKM?
A: If you have working experience in related trade of the SKM, then you may apply for it via Pengiktirafan Pencapaian Terdahulu (PPT) method. Most of the time, you need to have at least SKM 3, that means a minimum working experience that you need to have is at least 3 years in that trade.
Q: I have many years of working experience (>10 years) in certain trade & would like to be appointed as Pegawai Penilaian Verifikasi (PPV), formerly known as an industry expert (Pakar Industri Negara/PIN)
A: You may get yourself registered in the Directory (DPIN) and with other qualifications such as SKM in your trade AND;
1) PP-PPD-PPB & PPL Induction course cert AND/OR
2) PP-PPT Induction course cert
You can be appointed as External Verifier (Pegawai Pengesah Luaran/PPL) and Assessor for PPT (Pegawai Penilai-PPT) respectively.
The government would pay you an expert allowance fee for your service rendered.
Q: I would like to be a JPK Accredited Centre (PB) to tap/ride on government’s focus & push on TVET (technical & vocational education training). How do I go about it?
A: There’s a list of documents & stringent criteria set by JPK to be an Accredited Centre (PB) for you to comply. You may read up here.
Nevertheless, the 3 key areas are (besides the local council/health
department/bomba approval for the premise):
1) Personnel’s qualifications, each of these requirements:
a) Firstly, Assessor (Pegawai Penilai/PP) – PP-PPD-PPB induction course, VTO & SKM
b) Secondly, Internal Verifier (Pegawai Pengesah Dalaman/PPD) -PP-PPD-PPB induction course & SKM
c) Finally, Centre Manager (Pengurus Pusat Bertauliah/PPB) – Only PP-PPD-PPB induction course cert
2) Teaching materials, generally regarded as Written Instructional Material (WIM)
It is not provided by JPK and has its own set of formats. Therefore, it has to be developed by the centre’s trainers based on the respective National Occupational Skill Standard (NOSS). In other words, the trainer would need to know how to develop the WIM by attending the Vocational Training Operation course over a period of 3-6 months on part-time/weekend basis or Kursus Pembangunan WIM over a 5 days workshop.
3) Tools, Equipments & Materials (TEM)
These are the necessary items in place before accreditation is given so that students would have sufficient hands-on lab/practical training. However, need to refer to respective NOSS for the list of items, as well as their ratio to the number of students intake.
In short, personnel’s qualifications is usually the most challenging requirements for many aspiring JPK centres.
Q: How many personnel do I need to have to set up a PB?
A: Depending on the number of programs & levels, it varies accordingly.
Eg 1: If only applying for one (1) program & one (1) level, just need the following:
1 PPB, 1 PPD & 1 PP
Eg 2: If only applying for one (1) program with two (2) levels, then need the following:
1 PPB, 1 PPD & 2 PP
So, the number of personnel required would change as the number of programs & levels varies (would be explained during the PP-PPD-PPB induction course)
Contact ISE Education
ISE Education (PB: I Smart Educare)
Address: 8-1, 1st Floor, Block A, Jalan Prima 5, Vista Magna, Metro Prima Kepong, 52100 KL
Google Map
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Tel: 03-27819937 / 38 or 016-3066096 (Nora) (BM)
HP: 012-3123430 (Melvin) (English & Mandarin)
Email:
JPK induction coures / VTO / SKM: ismarteducare @ gmail.com
Professional Diploma/Executive Bachelor enquiry: melvinlim @ urise.edu.my
DKM/Degree/Masters enquiry: tvetuni @ gmail.com
TVET Job: tvetmyjob @ gmail.com
Operation hours: Mon-Fri: 9-5.30pm
Call for an appointment if you need to meet up on other hours/days.
Lunch break: 1-2pm
FB Page: TVET Malaysia
FB Group: TVET Malaysia – JPK/SKM/VTO/PP-PPD, PP-PPT, PPL
interest of PP-PPD.
Thank you
Hi Chor, emailed you the details already.
Next session is on 12-13 Dec.
slmt pg sy nk tny noss n wim u kod kursus ni ada..
EE-022-2:2013
EE-022-3:2013
and berapa harganya
Maaf Hazmi, takda. Kena beli dari JPK.
HI ADMIN…cpc/jpc EE-324-3:2013 ade x
Maaf Firdaus, takda NOSS EE-324, jadi tiada CPCnya
IT-020-3:2013
IT-020-4:2013
berapa ye harga noss utk 3 dan 4 sistem komputer?
Petang Zairi, RM20 x 2
Hi, ada jual Noss untuk Graphic Design (Digital) IT-058-3:2014 ?
Yes Jen
Assalamualaikum & slmt pgi..kursus induksi pentauliahan skm bg bulan 2 ada dibuat ke?..kalau negeri sabah dimana ya boleh di ikut kursus tersebut…sekian, terima kasih
Maaf Safinie, bulan 2 kami tak anjur, juga, kalau negeri Sabah, kena sabar menunggu, tak ramai penganjur kat sana.
Shafinie, adakah anda seorang je? Tarikh 2-3 April kamu ok tak?
hai. emel saya detail untuk buat skm 3 ppt dan vto secara part time. tq.
Fazri, akan emel anda bila balik KL hari minggu ni, kat luar negeri sekarang.
Sementara tu, nak tahu, bidang SKM anda apa ya? Dah ada berapa tahun pengalamnan:
1) Kerja
2) Mengajar
Anda boleh emel saya di ismarteducare @ gmail.com
hi,
Please email to me new noss Midwifery Aide MP-051-1. Thank you
My email thespagee.jomcj@gmail.com.
Sorry Fazilah, we don’t have that. You may purchase directly from JPK at Putrajaya.
i want to know about VTO ,me from penang, tq.
Pei Lin, what exactly you want to know after reading what’s been written? Please be more specific, tks.
Hello and salam 1 malaysia
Minta WIM/CoCU/PA&KA bagi:
IT-020-3/4:2013 (Computer System)
IT-030-3/4:2013 (Computer Network)
FB-024-2/3:2012 (Office Administration)
IT-040-2 (Artis Multimedia – Animasi)
IT-060-3 (Perekabentuk Multimedia – Animasi & Visual)
thank you
Imran, tolong semak emel anda.
Pagi Imran, saya cuma dapat cari NOSS untuk
IT-020-3/4:2013 (Computer System)
IT-030-3/4:2013 (Computer Network)
FB-024-2/3:2012 (Office Administration)
Yg lain, anda kena beli kat JPK.
as salam,
saya mencari wim untuk noss MP-061-3:2012 SPA TERAPI
Meria, dah emel anda
Salam, saya mencari WIM untuk noss HT-012-3-2012 penyediaan dan pembuatan makanan.
Raja Sofia, sila semak emel anda
Assalam, boleh guide/ sample penyediaan :-
1) NOSS Matrix dan Training Pathway untuk program
2) NOSS Matrix dan Training Pathway untuk NCS – Core Abilities
Amiruddin, dah emel kepada anda, tolong semak.
Hi.. saya ingin hadir kursus i duksi tarikh terdekat untuk bulan mei ini.. untuk pp-ppl… baru tamat vto… tq
Era dah ada sijil induksi PP-PPD kan?
PPL pada 11-12 Jun, tolong muat turun borang dari laman web ni & emel borang yg siap diisi ke: ismarteducare@gmail.com
Hello and salam 1 malaysia
Minta noss bagi:-
IT-020-3/4:2013 (Computer System)
Maaf Mohd Noor, kami tiada NOSS ni dalam simpanan. Anda boleh beli terus dari JPK. Kalau nak kami tolong belikan, tolong maklumkan.
Salam 1 Malaysia dan Perak Aman Jaya,
Saya berminat tuk memohon pegawai penilai , fasilitator pakar industri. Saya bertugas di sebuah workshop agensi kerajaan ( lori / trak / kenderaan berat) selama 17 tahun sebagai ketua workshop / penolong jurutera mekanikal dan mempunyai kelulusan sarjana kej.mekanikal.
Saya ingin menceburi bidang Penilai Latihan Vokasional PPL atau VTO melalui PPT. Mohon bantuan nasihat dan pencerahan?
Salam En Syahrunniza, untuk dilantik sebagai Pegawai Penilai, anda perlu ada 3 sijil.
1) Sijil induksi PP-PPD-PPB (2 hari, RM350)
2) Sijil kemahiran, SKM bidang kenderaan komersial (sila rujuk daftar NOSS untuk kenalpasti kod bidang anda).
Dengan pengalaman & kelulusan sarjana anda, pasti dapat mohon SKM melalui PPT (tak perlu ikuti kelas, cuma mohon dgn JPK, bayar RM300/setahap & bangunkan portfolio/dapatkan bukti-bukti ketrampilan anda)
3) Sijil VTO – Untuk yg ni, anda tidak boleh mohon secara PPT kerana untuk PPT-VTO, anda kena ada pengalaman mengajar bidang teknikal sekurang-kurangnya 4 tahun ke atas. Bergantung kepada tempat kerja anda, ia boleh diambil secara separa masa di KL/Penang
When is the next PP-PPD?
Ram, next PP-PPD is on 6-7 Aug at Kepong Metro Prima, KL.
I would like to apply fast track VTO certificate.
Hi Liew, if you have the min teaching of technical subjects for >4 yrs, you may apply with CIAST directly. However, please buy the NOSS first to see if you have evidences to prove that you’re already competent.
Kursus induksi PP-PPD-PPB lepas raya ini bila?
Khairul, ada 2 sesi:
1) 6-7 Ogos di Kepong Metro Prima
2) 13-14 Ogos di Gambang, Kuantan
Mana satu tempat sesuai untuk anda?
encik, boleh saya dapatkan wim me-020-2:2012 (tek penyejukbekuan dan penyaman udara) ?
Salam Nur Farrah, anda nak beli WIM ni untuk internship ke permohonan PB baru?
Salam,saya aishah,boleh dptkan training pathway utk teknologi penyejukbekuan dan penyamanan udara serta Jpc dan Cpc utk ppu Level 2- level 4
Maaf Aishah, cuma ada L2&3, dah emel anda.
hi Malaysia Vocational Training.
ada tak JPC/CPC untuk kod
MC- 024-4:2012 Pengurusan Teknologi Kimpalan
Tq Respion
Maaf Ahmadi, yg ni takda lagi 🙂
Hi, I’m from KV Seberang Perai Penang
Could you be kind enough to share CPC for these parts :
1- FB-021-2 ( commercial & retail banking clerk)
2- FB 021-3 (commercial & retail banking officer)
Sorry Faizal, unfortunately we don’t have the NOSS for this, therefore unable to email to you. You may buy the NOSS from JPK Wilayah Utara (Google for their no)
Saya mempunyai seorang rakan yang bekerja sebagai Chef di sebuah hotel. Dia berminat untuk membuat SKM melalui PPT. boleh bantu saya menerangkan cara membuat PPT serta NOSS/WIM yang berkaitan dengan pekerjaan beliau. Terima Kasih.
Salam Ahmad Zarith, samada rakan anda boleh baca dari Panduan Permohonan SKM melallui PPT ataupun ambil kursus induksi PP-PPT pada 17-18 Disember nanti di Kepong Metro Prima, yurannya RM350 shj.
Kalau berminat, sila hubungi 03-62429999 atau muat turun borang induksi dari laman web ni & emel terus kepada kita bersama slip bayaran.
sekiranya saya mempunyai pengalaman bekerja lbih dari 15 yers, adakah sya layak untuk memohon VTO…
hanya ada kelulusan SPMV
Nas, anda perlu mohon SKM secara PPT serentak jika nak mohon VTO. Juga, perlu ambil kursus induksi PP-PPD pada 5-6 Nov supaya anda layak dilantik sebagai Pegawai Penilai di Pusat Bertauliah JPK, swasta mahupun awam.
PP-PPD
Tarikh: 5-6 Nov
Masa: 8.30-5pm
Tempat: Kepong Metro Prima, KL
Yuran: RM350
Bank: Maybank 514589203020, I Smart Educare
Kalau berminat, sila muat turun Borang Permohonan KIP, isi & emel ke ismarteducare@gmail.com bersama slip bayaran.
Assalamualaikum n selamat pagi.. sis..
kursus PP-PPL bulan Nov@Dis di bahagian utara xada ka..
Maaf Sity, setakat ni, cuma ada penganjur di KL je untuk bulan Nov@Dis
Hi, I need a WIM for FB 100-3:2012
* for internship
Hi Ann, pls check your email for the quote.
Hi, Im have been working in Makeup Industry for 8 years and teaching makeup for about 4 years. But I’m still not even get SKM or VTO certificate. May I know how can I get the any certification for my servicing industry to move forward in the future? I’m now based in Miri Sarawak. Can you call me for further explaination about PPT to apply SKM? Thank you. 0168514088
Hi Johnny, already emailed the Panduan Permohonan SKM via PPT to you, pls check.
Hai admin,
Saya berasal dari penang.
Saya mempunyai ijazah dan diploma dalam bidank elektrik.
Saya mempunyai pengalaman selama 3 tahun sebagai jurutera elektrik kawalan dan automasi di industri.
Dalam masa yang sama saya juga minat mengajar kepada anak muda tentang teknologi elektrik terutama bahgian automasi industri.
Adakah dengan menyertai kursus VTO ni dapat membantu saya untuk menjadi tenaga pengajar? dan di mana pusat untuk saya ambil kursus ini di pulau pinang?
Salam Hafiz, anda boleh jadi tenaga pengajar untuk Tahap 4 atau 5 program kemahiran bidang elektrik jika ada VTO & sijil induksi PP-PPD.
Jika ada SKM pula (boleh mohon secara PPT untuk automasi industri berdasarkan pengalaman anda), boleh dilantik sebagai Pegawai Penilai untuk Tahap 2 atau 3. Saya akan emel anda butiran kursus kat Pulau Pinang nanti.
Hello and salam 1 malaysia
Minta WIM/CoCU/PA&KA bagi:
IT-020-3/4:2013 (Computer System)
IT-030-3/4:2013 (Computer Network)
terima kasih
Salam En Mohd Zarul, sila semak emel anda untuk maklumat lanjut – pembelian WIM untuk tujuan apa.
Saya ada skm level 3 exec secretary. Saya berminat nak buat DKM. Ada tak kolej di neg sembilan atau melaka yg buat DKM?
Salam Nadirah, anda boleh cari di sini
http://apps.dsd.gov.my/webjpk2/JPK_program_list/carian_negeri.php
Berapa harga WIM untuk MC-024-3/4:2012 (Welding)?
Azmi, sila semak emel
boleh emel saya berkenaan kursus VTO dan induksi ? saya berminat dalam menjadi tenaga pegjar vokasional . TQ
Hi Nurul, adakah anda yang hubungi 012-3123430 tadi? Anda dari Terengganu?
Nurul, dah emel anda 3 hari lalu, dapat ke?
hai…selamat pagi…
saya Aizat…
berkenaan VTO , mcm mana ye kalau my staff nak sertai…
mengenai induksi next session tahun hadapan kan… dan dari segi pembayaran boleh ke kalau pembayaran di buat melalui cheque?
dan boleh ke emailkan saya mengenai syllabus yang kami akan belajar di dalam induksi itu?
Pagi Aizat, sila semak emel anda untuk butirannya.
tolong email kami semua tarikh-tarikh kursus induksi yang akan dijalankan oleh pihak tuan berserta lokasi dan yurannya
terima kasih
Salam kemahiran, kami telah emel 10 hari lalu & sekali lagi sebentar tadi. Sila semak emel, tq
Assalamualaikum dan salam sejahtera.saya ingin maklumat tentang skm tahap 4.saya merupakan lepasan ikm automotif tahap 3 dan berkerja dalam industri automotif terutama bengkel biasa.saya ingin menyambung pelajaran ke tahap 4.boleh tuan cadangkan kepada saya bagaimana cara terbaik untuk menyambung pelajaran kerana jika saya sambung belajar di bawah MARA saya harus menghabiskan masa 3 tahun untuk diploma.jika demikian baik saya sambung ke tahap 4 terus
Terima kasih
Kerjamsama anda amat dihargai
Naim, anda boleh cari Pusat Bertauliah yg menawarkan program bidang anda di Direktori Pusat Bertauliah
WIM MC-024-3:2012 Ada x??
kegunaan internship
Dah emel anda sampel
I would like to register for the PP/PPD/PPB and the PP-PTT programme.
Please let me know when it will be conducted. Thank you.
My number 018-662 3013
Jarinah, PP-PPD-PPB induction course on 7-8 July & PP-PPT on 14-15 July.
Please download the form here.
After filling up, kindly email to ismarteducare@gmail.com
berapa ye WIM HT-012-2:2012 untuk vto intership?
Sila semak emel
Salam sejahtera,
Saya berminat untuk menyertai kursus PP-PPD-PPB, bilak kursus berikut akan diadakan?
Thanks
Salam kemahiran Sabaruddin, tarikh yg berikutnya adalah pada 22-23 Sept di Kepong Metro Prima, KL
Sila muat turun borang dari pautan berikut – https://tvetmaster.com/borang-permohonan-induksi-vto/, isi & emel kembali bersama slip bayaran (butiran akaun juga ada di pautan tersebut)
Hi,
If I’m interested to join as a vocational school teacher, can i know where and how do i apply for it?
Thanks.
Hi Sangari, do you mean Vocational Trainer in an institute accredited by JPK or otherwise?
salam sejahtera.
saya mencari wim EE-010-1. masih available tak?
Maaf Fadhlan, takda
Salam, saya ingin memohon SKM bagi program IT-010-3:2016. Saya call JPK dan dimaklumkan permohonan dibuat secara online. Boleh bagi link untuk isi boring permohonan
https://www.skkm.gov.my/
Hi. When will be the kursus induksi for PPL
Morning Mr Lim, it’s tentatively scheduled to be on 19-20 Jan 2019 at Kepong, KL.
Btw, do you have the PP-PPD induction course cert already?
Yes. Please keep me informed. Thanks
Hi, how many credits does SKM 3 have in equivalence to tertiary education please?
Hi Eva, perhaps you can read more from this link, articulation
hello sir, i am intrested to work as a lecturer do you have contact numbers or email for me to contact. thanks
Hi Rafik, you need to search & contact respective Pusat Bertauliah coz it would depend on your expertise.
Aslmkm , nk tye kalau sye dri politeknik sem 1 nak berhenti sbb x minat kos ni and rse nk tukar bidang lain masuk ke ILP , boleh ke?
Ainin, sila rujuk dgn ILP
Saya nak tanya berapa harga WIM EE-010 tahap 1,2,3
Saya tau Yg ni dah jumud tapi kami masih perlukannya..
Suhaila, akan emel anda bila dah dapat pembekal nanti, sama juga dengan EE-021-2/3
Ok encik/puan.. terima kasih.. sgt2 mengharapkannya
Good afternoon,
do you offer automotive courses on part time basis ?
Hi Brian, may I know where are you based?
Diploma kejuruteraan mekanikal serta pedidikan UTHM 1999-2001
adakah setara dengan VTO untuk permohonan PPT?
Afandi, nampaknya tidak. Sila rujuk http://www.jpkmalaysia.com/vto (jadual bawah sekali)
Salam,saya ada sijil skm tahap 1,2,3untuk Kecantikan. Bolehkah kedai saya mohon jadi pusat bertauliah? Apakah yg perlu saya selesaikan?
Pagi cik Tan, banyak yang perlu cerita. Sila hubungi admin di talian 012-3123430 ataupun tinggalkan no untuk admin hubungi anda.
Anda di negeri mana ya?
Hi, saya nak tanya macam mana nk jadi Pegawai Penilai.kursus apa yang saya kena ambil.saya menetap di semenyih.
Hi Khairul, anda kena ikuti kursus induksi PP-PPD pada 27-28 Julai nanti di Kepong Metro Prima & kursus VTO (separa masa).
Dah whatsapp anda butirannya.
Assalamualaikun Tuan, saya memerlukan NOSS untuk Operasi Pemesinan MC-050-2-2012. Harap tuan dapat membantu
Maaf Wan, kami tiada NOSS ni dalam simpanan dan tidak akan pergi ke JPK dalam masa terdekat. Jadi, anda perlu beli sendiri di sana.
Bila jadual kursus PP-PPD-PPB yang akan datang?
2&3 Nov
Boleh lihat senarai kursus induksi yang dijalankan tahun 2019 dari sini
Hi
Interest to know more on how to be JPK acrcredited centre providing beauty courses. Looking forward to your advice.
Hi Siew Yen, would email to you, kindly check your email.
Can you let me know when and how to apply kurus induksi pp-ppt ?
Hi Foo Yew, your intention is to be a PP-PPT right?
Do you have more than 10 years experience in your field?
Already got SKM?
Hi Admin
Saya sedang mencari WIM untuk program HT-012-4 untuk tujuan penambahan program di PB
Terima kasih
Pagi En Kamil, dah emel sampel kepada anda
Saya nak WIM H512-001-2/3:2019
Maaf Dr Satheesh, tiada PB lagi yang ditauliahkan untuk program ni.
PP anda kena bangunkan sendiri ataupun kami boleh sediakan khidmat runding untuk bangunkannya.
Sila whatsapp/hubungi 012-3123430 jika berminat, tq.
Dear Sir / Madam,
I am Alvin from dnata Singapore. We are hiring Automotive Technicians and would like to partner your school to see if we can hire your graduating students to work in Singapore.
I hope to have a meeting with you to see if we have a chance to collaborate. I can be contacted at yiqunalvin.goh@dnata.sg .
Look forward to hear from you.
Thank you and best regards,
Alvin Goh
Hi Alvin, emailed to you already.
I would like to check if Diploma of Nursing, Degree of Nursing and 6 months full time post basic specialisation courses are recognise as part of Sijil Kemahiran Malaysia?
Sorry Quah, nursing qualifications are not part of SKM. It’s regulated by Ministry of Health & if not mistaken, only qualifications by College/Uni College/Uni that’s MQA accredited is recognised.
Hi, saya nak tanya wim electrical EE-320-2 :2012 ada tak? And berapa harganya?
Maaf Sarwina, tiada
sy nak bertanya pasal cert Bgas level 2 painting inpector. cert sy dah exp pada thn 2018 .pengalaman sy dah hampir 13 thn.sy dah ambil exm kat Twi sungai buluh 2 kali ,tetapi gagal jugak.cos tinggi ambil exm under Twi .sy harap tuan dpt berbicara dgn sy psl sy nak ambil under jkp .utk buat sambungan lesen Bgas sy level 2
Maaf Zulkepli, untuk sijil bukan SKM, saya rasa anda kena rujuk badan persijilan yang berkenaan.
Sekiranya anda ingin mohon SKM dengan pengalaman kerja anda, boleh baca sini dulu.
Slmt sejahtera,tuan/puan,
Sy tak berapa faham link² yg perlu sy click utk PPT,blh bantu sy utk sy dapatkan info selanjutnya bagaimana sy blh mendapatkan maklumat lengkap cara² memohon melalui PPT?ada no yg blh sy hubungi?
Anda boleh hubungi 03-88865589
Good day, i have SKM and VTO, and i also have 5-7 year experience in my skill major course, any chance that i can upgrade my SKM to DKM, may i have some guidance? Please give some advices and please do not hestitate to reply me.
Thank you.
Hi Eric, you should be able to apply for DKM with your experience since you already have SKM (whether it’s 2 or 3).
You may reach out to us at 012-3123430 if you need consultation to guide you on how to go about it.
My nephew stopped schooling after Standard 6. Studied briefly for American Program & IGCSE before stopping altogether due to family financial crisis. Now he’s 18 & unemployed. Has interest in digital art & baking. What are the options available for him?
This question I can assist. Can enrol into those 2 programmes that he’s interested with.
Question: Where does he stay? Which is his no 1 interest?